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- 2.A Sad Lament
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- 4.Low Expectations
- 5.What Presence_!
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- 7.One Is a Lonely Number
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Orange Juice - Gigography / Fansite
Hi guys
I'm in the middle of collecting all information on Orange Juice via the web and articles etc so I can build a definitive OJ website.
The site will contain biog, discography, lyrics, videos, streaming audio, articles/interviews, reviews AND a definitive list of gigs that OJ played! This has never been done as far as I know and i'd like to have a bash at it!
I've trawled the net and so far come up with this list...
1979
2OTH APR GLASGOW, SCHOOL OF ART
21ST APR EDINBURGH, TEVIOT ROW*
1980
11TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (w/JOSEF K, GO-BETWEENS)*
17TH APRIL - GLASGOW, TECH COLLEGE*
9TH AUG - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
8TH SEPT - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
2ND NOV - LONDON, LYCEUM (SUPPORTING BUZZCOCKS w/DELMONTES, AU PAIRS, THINGS)
8TH DEC - LANCASTER UNIVERSITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
9TH DEC - GLASGOW, TIFFANYS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
11TH DEC - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
12TH DEC - HULL, CITY HALL (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
14TH DEC - SOUTHAMPTON, GAUMONT (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
15TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
16TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
?? - GLASGOW, SQUARE THEATRE
?? NOV - LIVERPOOL, PLATOS BALLROOM (w/ PALE FOUNTAINS, WILD SWANS)
1981
1ST JAN - BRUSSELS, PLAN K (BELGIUM)
4TH JAN - LONDON, ICA (w/JOSEF K)
28TH MARCH - LEEDS WAREHOUSE
29TH MARCH - RETFORD, PORTERHOUSE
30TH MARCH - MIDDLESBOROUGH, ROCK GARDENS
31ST MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, BOAT CLUB*
1ST APRIL - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS*
2ND APRIL - SHEFFIELD, LIMIT CLUB*
3RD APRIL - LIVERPOOL, BRADYS
22ND APRIL - GLASGOW, ROSELAND BALLROOM (w/FIRE ENGINES)
10TH APRIL - STIRLING, UNIVERSITY*
10TH MAY - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS*
10TH JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB*
6TH AUG - LONDON, THE VENUE
19TH AUG - LIVERPOOL, PICKWICKS*
20TH AUG - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE*
?? JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (FILMED FOR JOCK N ROLL - LAST GIG OF LINE-UP MK 1?)
?? - CAMBRIDGE
?? - HULL, DINGWALLS
?? - OLYMPIA, EAST KILBRIDE
1982
20TH JAN - LONDON, THE VENUE
21ST JAN - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS
27TH JAN - UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
17TH FEB - BRISTOL, UNIVERSITY
19TH FEB - BIRMINGHAM, IMPERIAL CINEMA
20TH FEB - DURHAM, UNIVERSITY
22ND FEB - NEWCASTLE, SOUL KITCHEN
25TH FEB - LONDON, THE VENUE
26TH FEB - 'NORTH LONDON POLY'
27TH FEB - SUSSEX UNIVERSITY (w/DISCO DISCOLATION)
29TH FEB - SHEFFIELD, ??
1ST MARCH - OXFORD, SCAMPS
2ND MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY
3RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, FAGINS
5TH MARCH - LEICESTER, UNIVERSITY
6TH MARCH - RETFORD PORTERHOUSE*
8TH MARCH - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
4TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS
15TH JUNE - HACIENDA, MANCHESTER
16TH JUNE - BRADFORD, UNIVERSITY
17TH JUNE - HULL, TOWER BALLROOM
13TH NOV - CARDIFF, UNIVERSITY
17TH NOV - LEICESTER, POLY
18TH NOV - SHEFFIELD, LYCEUM
20TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
21ST NOV - BRISTOL, LOCAMO
22ND NOV - BRIGHTON, TOP RANK
24TH NOV - KEELE, UNIVERSITY*
25TH NOV - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
26TH NOV - LIVERPOOL, UNIVERSITY
29TH NOV - EDINBURGH, COASTERS*
30TH NOV - GLASGOW, MAYFAIR
1ST DEC - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
2ND DEC - LONDON, LYCEUM
30TH DEC - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY
?? - MOUNTFORD HALL, LIVERPOOL (w/STRAWBERRY SWITCHBLADE)
1983
23RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
24TH MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY
26TH MARCH - NEWCASTLE, DINGWALLS (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
27TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
28TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (2 NIGHTS IN A ROW?)
29TH MARCH - HULL, DINGWALLS
31ST MARCH - LONDON, LYCEUM (w/ MARINE GIRLS, GO-BETWEENS)*
6TH AUG - LONDON, HACKNEY, VICTORIA PARK*
1ST JULY - SWINDON??
1984
23RD MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY (w/ INTERNATIONAL RESCUE)
25TH MARCH - LEEDS, POLY
26TH MARCH - GLASGOW, PAVILLION
28TH MARCH, LEICESTER, POLY
29TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT
30TH MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
31ST MARCH, BIRMINGHAM, POLY
28TH APRIL - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
3RD MAY - ABERDEEN, UNIVERSITY
4TH MAY - SWANSEA, UNIVERSITY
5TH MAY - OXFORD, POLY
6TH MAY - LONDON, LYCEUM
9TH MAY - NEWCASTLE, MAYFAIR CLUB
10TH MAY - ABERDEEN, RITZY
12TH MAY - DUNDEE, UNIVERSITY
13TH MAY - EDINBURGH, CALEY PALAIS
21ST JUN - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (FILMED FOR 'DADA WITH JUICE')
1ST NOV - DUNFERMLINE, JOHNSONS
2ND NOV - GLASGOW, QMU
3RD NOV - NEWCASTLE, UNIVERSITY
4TH NOV - ABERDEEN, RITZY
5TH NOV - HULL, UNIVERSITY
7TH NOV - MANCHESTER, UNIVERSITY
8TH NOV - HATFIELD, POLY
9TH NOV - UXBRIDGE, BRUNEL UNIVERSITY
10TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
11TH NOV - UNIVERSITY OF EAT ANGLIA
13TH NOV - PORTSMOUTH POLY
14TH NOV - CHIPPENHAM, GOLD DIGGERS
16TH NOV - BELFAST, QUEENS
17TH NOV - DUBLIN, TV CLUB
?? JUNE/JULY READING, UNIVERSITY
?? AUG/SEPT CRYSTAL PALACE, "free festival"
1985
19TH JAN - LONDON, BRIXTON RITZY (NOW ACADEMY) - LAST EVER GIG
UNDATED
BRIGHTON DOME THEATRE (POSSIBLY 84?)
LONDON, ULU
THE LOFT?
LONDON, EMPIRE BALLROOM (84?)
LONDON, FINSBURY PARK?
BANNOCKBURN COMMUNITY CENTRE 81/82/83??
* BOOTLEGGED SHOW
If anyone can fill in the blanks or add some dates for me then i'd be most grateful!
I also plan to have unofficial bootlegs of OJ and radio-sessions streaming on my site - so far I have both Kid Jensen radio sessions, the John Peel ones, a John Peel session from 1981 with Edwyn having a chat and playing "new single" Poor Old Soul, the Mike Read session, full OJ gig at London Lyceum 1983, the three tracks from Glasgow Pavillion gig given away free on tape with What Presence ?! 7"
I have some tracks from the Stirling University gig and one from a Keele gig - would obviously love to get the rest - I know of a handful of other bootlegs floating about - any details would be great.
I'd also like to investigate on how we'd go about getting all the OJ albums put up on iTunes so peeps can buy em??? It's utterly criminal that they are out of print!!
I just want OJ to have a proper and definitive website - there's precious few things scattered about everywhere on blogs etc and it'd be great to have them in one place :-)
ta
Jamie
I'm in the middle of collecting all information on Orange Juice via the web and articles etc so I can build a definitive OJ website.
The site will contain biog, discography, lyrics, videos, streaming audio, articles/interviews, reviews AND a definitive list of gigs that OJ played! This has never been done as far as I know and i'd like to have a bash at it!
I've trawled the net and so far come up with this list...
1979
2OTH APR GLASGOW, SCHOOL OF ART
21ST APR EDINBURGH, TEVIOT ROW*
1980
11TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (w/JOSEF K, GO-BETWEENS)*
17TH APRIL - GLASGOW, TECH COLLEGE*
9TH AUG - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
8TH SEPT - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
2ND NOV - LONDON, LYCEUM (SUPPORTING BUZZCOCKS w/DELMONTES, AU PAIRS, THINGS)
8TH DEC - LANCASTER UNIVERSITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
9TH DEC - GLASGOW, TIFFANYS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
11TH DEC - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
12TH DEC - HULL, CITY HALL (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
14TH DEC - SOUTHAMPTON, GAUMONT (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
15TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
16TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
?? - GLASGOW, SQUARE THEATRE
?? NOV - LIVERPOOL, PLATOS BALLROOM (w/ PALE FOUNTAINS, WILD SWANS)
1981
1ST JAN - BRUSSELS, PLAN K (BELGIUM)
4TH JAN - LONDON, ICA (w/JOSEF K)
28TH MARCH - LEEDS WAREHOUSE
29TH MARCH - RETFORD, PORTERHOUSE
30TH MARCH - MIDDLESBOROUGH, ROCK GARDENS
31ST MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, BOAT CLUB*
1ST APRIL - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS*
2ND APRIL - SHEFFIELD, LIMIT CLUB*
3RD APRIL - LIVERPOOL, BRADYS
22ND APRIL - GLASGOW, ROSELAND BALLROOM (w/FIRE ENGINES)
10TH APRIL - STIRLING, UNIVERSITY*
10TH MAY - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS*
10TH JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB*
6TH AUG - LONDON, THE VENUE
19TH AUG - LIVERPOOL, PICKWICKS*
20TH AUG - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE*
?? JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (FILMED FOR JOCK N ROLL - LAST GIG OF LINE-UP MK 1?)
?? - CAMBRIDGE
?? - HULL, DINGWALLS
?? - OLYMPIA, EAST KILBRIDE
1982
20TH JAN - LONDON, THE VENUE
21ST JAN - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS
27TH JAN - UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
17TH FEB - BRISTOL, UNIVERSITY
19TH FEB - BIRMINGHAM, IMPERIAL CINEMA
20TH FEB - DURHAM, UNIVERSITY
22ND FEB - NEWCASTLE, SOUL KITCHEN
25TH FEB - LONDON, THE VENUE
26TH FEB - 'NORTH LONDON POLY'
27TH FEB - SUSSEX UNIVERSITY (w/DISCO DISCOLATION)
29TH FEB - SHEFFIELD, ??
1ST MARCH - OXFORD, SCAMPS
2ND MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY
3RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, FAGINS
5TH MARCH - LEICESTER, UNIVERSITY
6TH MARCH - RETFORD PORTERHOUSE*
8TH MARCH - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
4TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS
15TH JUNE - HACIENDA, MANCHESTER
16TH JUNE - BRADFORD, UNIVERSITY
17TH JUNE - HULL, TOWER BALLROOM
13TH NOV - CARDIFF, UNIVERSITY
17TH NOV - LEICESTER, POLY
18TH NOV - SHEFFIELD, LYCEUM
20TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
21ST NOV - BRISTOL, LOCAMO
22ND NOV - BRIGHTON, TOP RANK
24TH NOV - KEELE, UNIVERSITY*
25TH NOV - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
26TH NOV - LIVERPOOL, UNIVERSITY
29TH NOV - EDINBURGH, COASTERS*
30TH NOV - GLASGOW, MAYFAIR
1ST DEC - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
2ND DEC - LONDON, LYCEUM
30TH DEC - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY
?? - MOUNTFORD HALL, LIVERPOOL (w/STRAWBERRY SWITCHBLADE)
1983
23RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
24TH MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY
26TH MARCH - NEWCASTLE, DINGWALLS (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
27TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
28TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (2 NIGHTS IN A ROW?)
29TH MARCH - HULL, DINGWALLS
31ST MARCH - LONDON, LYCEUM (w/ MARINE GIRLS, GO-BETWEENS)*
6TH AUG - LONDON, HACKNEY, VICTORIA PARK*
1ST JULY - SWINDON??
1984
23RD MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY (w/ INTERNATIONAL RESCUE)
25TH MARCH - LEEDS, POLY
26TH MARCH - GLASGOW, PAVILLION
28TH MARCH, LEICESTER, POLY
29TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT
30TH MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
31ST MARCH, BIRMINGHAM, POLY
28TH APRIL - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
3RD MAY - ABERDEEN, UNIVERSITY
4TH MAY - SWANSEA, UNIVERSITY
5TH MAY - OXFORD, POLY
6TH MAY - LONDON, LYCEUM
9TH MAY - NEWCASTLE, MAYFAIR CLUB
10TH MAY - ABERDEEN, RITZY
12TH MAY - DUNDEE, UNIVERSITY
13TH MAY - EDINBURGH, CALEY PALAIS
21ST JUN - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (FILMED FOR 'DADA WITH JUICE')
1ST NOV - DUNFERMLINE, JOHNSONS
2ND NOV - GLASGOW, QMU
3RD NOV - NEWCASTLE, UNIVERSITY
4TH NOV - ABERDEEN, RITZY
5TH NOV - HULL, UNIVERSITY
7TH NOV - MANCHESTER, UNIVERSITY
8TH NOV - HATFIELD, POLY
9TH NOV - UXBRIDGE, BRUNEL UNIVERSITY
10TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
11TH NOV - UNIVERSITY OF EAT ANGLIA
13TH NOV - PORTSMOUTH POLY
14TH NOV - CHIPPENHAM, GOLD DIGGERS
16TH NOV - BELFAST, QUEENS
17TH NOV - DUBLIN, TV CLUB
?? JUNE/JULY READING, UNIVERSITY
?? AUG/SEPT CRYSTAL PALACE, "free festival"
1985
19TH JAN - LONDON, BRIXTON RITZY (NOW ACADEMY) - LAST EVER GIG
UNDATED
BRIGHTON DOME THEATRE (POSSIBLY 84?)
LONDON, ULU
THE LOFT?
LONDON, EMPIRE BALLROOM (84?)
LONDON, FINSBURY PARK?
BANNOCKBURN COMMUNITY CENTRE 81/82/83??
* BOOTLEGGED SHOW
If anyone can fill in the blanks or add some dates for me then i'd be most grateful!
I also plan to have unofficial bootlegs of OJ and radio-sessions streaming on my site - so far I have both Kid Jensen radio sessions, the John Peel ones, a John Peel session from 1981 with Edwyn having a chat and playing "new single" Poor Old Soul, the Mike Read session, full OJ gig at London Lyceum 1983, the three tracks from Glasgow Pavillion gig given away free on tape with What Presence ?! 7"
I have some tracks from the Stirling University gig and one from a Keele gig - would obviously love to get the rest - I know of a handful of other bootlegs floating about - any details would be great.
I'd also like to investigate on how we'd go about getting all the OJ albums put up on iTunes so peeps can buy em??? It's utterly criminal that they are out of print!!
I just want OJ to have a proper and definitive website - there's precious few things scattered about everywhere on blogs etc and it'd be great to have them in one place :-)
ta
Jamie
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Permalink Reply by Phil Hubbard on
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Mark D - might be you can find some more stuff going through Record Mirror though dont think they listed all gigs did they? I think the UEA gig was 22nd based on 2 pieces of evidence attached - i contacted Mark from the Farmer's Boys who supported but that didn't help reveal any more details. Manchester - Fagin's was at Eden, above Rafters, apparenetly, so I think Fagin's is best description but can add Eden in brackets! The liverpool gig is news to me - interesting! I have a tape of a gig in 1982 that might be from there (See Facebook Postcard Records Fan group).
Weird this misses out London Venue 20th Jan. But these seem quite low key gigs with the new drummer Zeke, only 3 rehearsals before that first gig (where Stephen Daly is present and heckles the band!)
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Found the Liverpool gig: support from The Balcony (who sounded a bit like the Associates at times). Gig of the month!
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I mentioned a while ago the "Cambridge Grad Ball" gig in June/July 1984, which you've listed at the bottom.
I've narrowed this down to 18,19 or 20 June 1984 - I'm hoping to get a precise date soon from the archivist at the college!
The venue listing would be "Cambridge, Selwyn College May Ball".
Support from The Telephone Boxes.
A couple of pictures attached....
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How wonderful! The Telephone Boxes new to me! nice to see Edwyn, Zeke, Paul and Jonny in action. And the fact you are appraoching college archivist - proper detective work. Having said that i guess Grace or Edwyn might have diaries that tell us the answer...!
I am really unclear here as to gigs in that week before they record Dada at Palais on the 21st. Did Dunstable or Leicester happen? Can only find one reference to each anywhere and no photos or reviews...if they cancelled because of poor ticket sales did they take this more lucrative gig instead? It was a last minute thing, right?
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yes, they were booked maybe 1-2 weeks before at most, so perhaps OJ were free because one of the dates you are querying was cancelled.
Boomtown Rats were originally due to play but the guitarist broke his leg so they pulled out.
The entertainments officer at college went around the students rooms and asked if they would prefer Orange Juice or Sad Café as a replacement. A couple of us made a heartfelt plea for OJ which may have swayed them, since Sad Café got most of the votes!
We tried to chat to Edwyn and Alan Horne "backstage" (our college television room) But they really were not in the mood so we quickly left them to it. Hundreds of Cambridge students in dinner jackets not being their natural habit I should think!
But they played well, with the set list as per the rest of that tour. So I really enjoyed it even if they didn't (there were dry few of the gags and chit-chat I came to know and love in later years from bootlegs, later gigs etc.)
Perhaps I will try Grace on Twitter - I guess we she was booking them back then. Will let you know! (I'm at @marklawrence33 if you're following Grace...perhaps a nudge from you as well might help nudge her to get out the diaries...)
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I dont know if Ian Cranna was manager then still?
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I didn't know he ever was!? That explains the great reviews from "Red Starr" (aka Ian Cranna) in the Smash Hits indie pages for the Postcard singles!
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Yes indeed he championed all Postcard acts in Smash Hits, and became their manager. Not much written about his time with OJ but it contained some difficult moments like OJ splitting up only a few weeks after signing for Polydor, and later trying to placate the record label when OJ got banned from TOTP for David's drug (over)consumption leading to him falling into the crowd...
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Grace may have been in Cambridge but I wouldn't have known who she was. She was in charge by the time of the Dada with Juice video which was first shown, what, late 1984?
So perhaps booking OJ into a private event for toffs was the last straw for Ian Cranna?! Not quite "Puppet Show + Spinal Tap" but still.
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I did go to an OJ gig supporting (or they other way around ) with Josef K.
It was in a venue called the The Drill Hall ( off Tottenham Court Road, London ) All i can rembember is OJ were briliiant and Josef K announced each song via an airport type announcement over the PA i.e Josek's next song is...
But got to have been 80 or 81 ?!
Dave Black
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Now you mention it, I'm amazed I've never seen/heard any band try that PA announcement thing. Good, arty fun!
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