Orange Juice - Gigography / Fansite

Hi guys

I'm in the middle of collecting all information on Orange Juice via the web and articles etc so I can build a definitive OJ website.

The site will contain biog, discography, lyrics, videos, streaming audio, articles/interviews, reviews AND a definitive list of gigs that OJ played! This has never been done as far as I know and i'd like to have a bash at it!

I've trawled the net and so far come up with this list...

1979

2OTH APR GLASGOW, SCHOOL OF ART
21ST APR EDINBURGH, TEVIOT ROW*

1980

11TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (w/JOSEF K, GO-BETWEENS)*
17TH APRIL - GLASGOW, TECH COLLEGE*
9TH AUG - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
8TH SEPT - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
2ND NOV - LONDON, LYCEUM (SUPPORTING BUZZCOCKS w/DELMONTES, AU PAIRS, THINGS)
8TH DEC - LANCASTER UNIVERSITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
9TH DEC - GLASGOW, TIFFANYS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
11TH DEC - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
12TH DEC - HULL, CITY HALL (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
14TH DEC - SOUTHAMPTON, GAUMONT (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
15TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
16TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)

?? - GLASGOW, SQUARE THEATRE
?? NOV - LIVERPOOL, PLATOS BALLROOM (w/ PALE FOUNTAINS, WILD SWANS)

1981

1ST JAN - BRUSSELS, PLAN K (BELGIUM)
4TH JAN - LONDON, ICA (w/JOSEF K)
28TH MARCH - LEEDS WAREHOUSE
29TH MARCH - RETFORD, PORTERHOUSE
30TH MARCH - MIDDLESBOROUGH, ROCK GARDENS
31ST MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, BOAT CLUB*
1ST APRIL - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS*
2ND APRIL - SHEFFIELD, LIMIT CLUB*
3RD APRIL - LIVERPOOL, BRADYS
22ND APRIL - GLASGOW, ROSELAND BALLROOM (w/FIRE ENGINES)
10TH APRIL - STIRLING, UNIVERSITY*
10TH MAY - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS*
10TH JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB*
6TH AUG - LONDON, THE VENUE
19TH AUG - LIVERPOOL, PICKWICKS*
20TH AUG - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE*

?? JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (FILMED FOR JOCK N ROLL - LAST GIG OF LINE-UP MK 1?)
?? - CAMBRIDGE
?? - HULL, DINGWALLS
?? - OLYMPIA, EAST KILBRIDE

1982

20TH JAN - LONDON, THE VENUE
21ST JAN - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS
27TH JAN - UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
17TH FEB - BRISTOL, UNIVERSITY
19TH FEB - BIRMINGHAM, IMPERIAL CINEMA
20TH FEB - DURHAM, UNIVERSITY
22ND FEB - NEWCASTLE, SOUL KITCHEN
25TH FEB - LONDON, THE VENUE
26TH FEB - 'NORTH LONDON POLY'
27TH FEB - SUSSEX UNIVERSITY (w/DISCO DISCOLATION)
29TH FEB - SHEFFIELD, ??
1ST MARCH - OXFORD, SCAMPS
2ND MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY
3RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, FAGINS
5TH MARCH - LEICESTER, UNIVERSITY
6TH MARCH - RETFORD PORTERHOUSE*
8TH MARCH - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
4TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS
15TH JUNE - HACIENDA, MANCHESTER
16TH JUNE - BRADFORD, UNIVERSITY
17TH JUNE - HULL, TOWER BALLROOM
13TH NOV - CARDIFF, UNIVERSITY
17TH NOV - LEICESTER, POLY
18TH NOV - SHEFFIELD, LYCEUM
20TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
21ST NOV - BRISTOL, LOCAMO
22ND NOV - BRIGHTON, TOP RANK
24TH NOV - KEELE, UNIVERSITY*
25TH NOV - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
26TH NOV - LIVERPOOL, UNIVERSITY
29TH NOV - EDINBURGH, COASTERS*
30TH NOV - GLASGOW, MAYFAIR
1ST DEC - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
2ND DEC - LONDON, LYCEUM
30TH DEC - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY

?? - MOUNTFORD HALL, LIVERPOOL (w/STRAWBERRY SWITCHBLADE)

1983

23RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
24TH MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY
26TH MARCH - NEWCASTLE, DINGWALLS (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
27TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
28TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (2 NIGHTS IN A ROW?)
29TH MARCH - HULL, DINGWALLS
31ST MARCH - LONDON, LYCEUM (w/ MARINE GIRLS, GO-BETWEENS)*
6TH AUG - LONDON, HACKNEY, VICTORIA PARK*

1ST JULY - SWINDON??

1984

23RD MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY (w/ INTERNATIONAL RESCUE)
25TH MARCH - LEEDS, POLY
26TH MARCH - GLASGOW, PAVILLION
28TH MARCH, LEICESTER, POLY
29TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT
30TH MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
31ST MARCH, BIRMINGHAM, POLY
28TH APRIL - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
3RD MAY - ABERDEEN, UNIVERSITY
4TH MAY - SWANSEA, UNIVERSITY
5TH MAY - OXFORD, POLY
6TH MAY - LONDON, LYCEUM
9TH MAY - NEWCASTLE, MAYFAIR CLUB
10TH MAY - ABERDEEN, RITZY
12TH MAY - DUNDEE, UNIVERSITY
13TH MAY - EDINBURGH, CALEY PALAIS
21ST JUN - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (FILMED FOR 'DADA WITH JUICE')
1ST NOV - DUNFERMLINE, JOHNSONS
2ND NOV - GLASGOW, QMU
3RD NOV - NEWCASTLE, UNIVERSITY
4TH NOV - ABERDEEN, RITZY
5TH NOV - HULL, UNIVERSITY
7TH NOV - MANCHESTER, UNIVERSITY
8TH NOV - HATFIELD, POLY
9TH NOV - UXBRIDGE, BRUNEL UNIVERSITY
10TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
11TH NOV - UNIVERSITY OF EAT ANGLIA
13TH NOV - PORTSMOUTH POLY
14TH NOV - CHIPPENHAM, GOLD DIGGERS
16TH NOV - BELFAST, QUEENS
17TH NOV - DUBLIN, TV CLUB

?? JUNE/JULY READING, UNIVERSITY
?? AUG/SEPT CRYSTAL PALACE, "free festival"

1985

19TH JAN - LONDON, BRIXTON RITZY (NOW ACADEMY) - LAST EVER GIG

UNDATED

BRIGHTON DOME THEATRE (POSSIBLY 84?)
LONDON, ULU
THE LOFT?
LONDON, EMPIRE BALLROOM (84?)
LONDON, FINSBURY PARK?
BANNOCKBURN COMMUNITY CENTRE 81/82/83??

* BOOTLEGGED SHOW

If anyone can fill in the blanks or add some dates for me then i'd be most grateful!

I also plan to have unofficial bootlegs of OJ and radio-sessions streaming on my site - so far I have both Kid Jensen radio sessions, the John Peel ones, a John Peel session from 1981 with Edwyn having a chat and playing "new single" Poor Old Soul, the Mike Read session, full OJ gig at London Lyceum 1983, the three tracks from Glasgow Pavillion gig given away free on tape with What Presence ?! 7"

I have some tracks from the Stirling University gig and one from a Keele gig - would obviously love to get the rest - I know of a handful of other bootlegs floating about - any details would be great.

I'd also like to investigate on how we'd go about getting all the OJ albums put up on iTunes so peeps can buy em??? It's utterly criminal that they are out of print!!

I just want OJ to have a proper and definitive website - there's precious few things scattered about everywhere on blogs etc and it'd be great to have them in one place :-)

ta

Jamie

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Permalink Reply by Stephen Skinner on July 8, 2009 at 17:20
Hello

The very first time I met Edwyn, Steven, James and David was when I did the monitors for Orange Juice at Middlesborough Rock Garden. This obviously led to a highly rewarding friendship/musical relationship with Edwyn as I played in the very last incarnation of Orange Juice and in Edwyn's solo line up until 1997.
I can't remember what year it was - I'm guessing 1981. They played about 12 songs in 23 minutes because all the audience were skinheads who promptly turned their backs on the band because they were 'poofs'.
Permalink Reply by Simon Greenwood on July 13, 2009 at 11:31
Great list Jamie.
Did OJ only play Manchester twice, I seem to remember a Manchestet Poly gig in between Rafters and The Hacienda gigs.

I wonder if you could put a star next to all the gigs where a bootleg audio or video exists.

I have about ten gigs on mp3, I will post the details next time I am logged on using that PC.
Permalink Reply by jamiemoir on July 13, 2009 at 15:33
Thanks gang - i've added all those dates

Keep em coming if you find more :-)
Permalink Reply by Administrator on July 13, 2009 at 21:47
Well Jamie you are a dedicated dear. Anything I can do to help, give me a shout. I'm a decentish manager but a very bad and disorganised archivist. The good news is that I am in the advanced stages of sorting out the release of a box set of Orange Juice albums and rarities by Domino Records.This will obviously be available in download form too on iTunes and elsewhere. Kris Gillespie, who heads up their US office is tenacious and thorough and is pulling it all together. I am currently sitting on a huge pile of boxes of every recording the band made for Polydor, all owned and controlled by the members who are more than happy with Domino handling the releases. watch this space for news. More power to your elbow!
Permalink Reply by jamiemoir on July 13, 2009 at 22:42
Wahey!

This sounds totally amazing!!!
Permalink Reply by Allan Ogilvie on July 13, 2009 at 23:08
Hi Jamie,
Saw OJ at Bannockburn Community Centre but can't remember if 81/82/83
Allan
Permalink Reply by Alan L on July 14, 2009 at 9:45
A few updates for you;

Nite Club 11/4/80, Nottm 31/3/81, Rafters 1/4/81, Sheffield 2/4/81, Leeds 20/8/81 all exist on tape. I also have a tape of Liverpool Pickwicks 19/8/81 which you don't have listed.

Glasgow tech June '80 doesn't exist, this was the 'guestimate' date given in error to the 17/4/80 show when it first appeared on the scene.

I recorded OJ at Edinburgh Valentinos 10th May 81 and also Edinburgh Nite Club 10th July 81 - so these definitely do exist on tape as well!

My Valentinos tape has been in circulation for many years and to me it is still a joy to listen to... the gig was a bit of a shambles due to continual equipment failure etc, but the inbetween banter was "classic Edwyn" and when the band did get up and running, the song renditions that night were totally spot-on, especially the final encore, Moscow - a better version I don't think you're ever likely to hear - and well worthy of addition to any future Edwyn box set / compilation methinks!

Cheers

A.
Permalink Reply by jamiemoir on July 14, 2009 at 11:27
All added and amended - thanks again!
Permalink Reply by Dave S on July 14, 2009 at 12:32
I would just like to reiterate that Alan's recording of OJ at Valentinos on 10-5-81 is a classic and it's not just Edwyn who is in fine form. James had to keep the crowd entertained while Edwyn was offstage getting his guitar fixed, this included playing a bit of Rhaposdy In Blue by George Gershwin and talking about Veronica Lake. If there was anyway this could be officially released I'm sure it would be very well received and be a good accompaniment to the Josef K Live At Valentinos CD released a few years ago which also used one of Alan's recordings. Here's hoping something can be worked out.

Dave

Alan L said:
A few updates for you;

Nite Club 11/4/80, Nottm 31/3/81, Rafters 1/4/81, Sheffield 2/4/81, Leeds 20/8/81 all exist on tape. I also have a tape of Liverpool Pickwicks 19/8/81 which you don't have listed.

Glasgow tech June '80 doesn't exist, this was the 'guestimate' date given in error to the 17/4/80 show when it first appeared on the scene.

I recorded OJ at Edinburgh Valentinos 10th May 81 and also Edinburgh Nite Club 10th July 81 - so these definitely do exist on tape as well!

My Valentinos tape has been in circulation for many years and to me it is still a joy to listen to... the gig was a bit of a shambles due to continual equipment failure etc, but the inbetween banter was "classic Edwyn" and when the band did get up and running, the song renditions that night were totally spot-on, especially the final encore, Moscow - a better version I don't think you're ever likely to hear - and well worthy of addition to any future Edwyn box set / compilation methinks!

Cheers

A.
Permalink Reply by Duncan Lee on July 14, 2009 at 14:19
I remember seeing OJ at Mountford Hall, Liverpool Uni with Strawberry Switchblade in support, must have been in 1982 because it's mentioned here. I'm pretty sure they played there twice once before the Royal Court and once afterward. I also went to see them at Brady's (which use to be Eric's), I went along with my brother who asked the burly bouncer if he was taking the piss when he told us that the band would be on stage gone 12.00 midnight. Too young to have a car and the last bus and train home was about 10.30 and for some strange reason the bouncer had took a disliking to my brother, we spent the next two hours playing arcade games in Lime Street and then went home. Mind you to all our friends the day after it was the best gig we'd ever been to.
Permalink Reply by DF on July 14, 2009 at 16:32
I also have a tape of Liverpool Pickwicks 19/8/81 which you don't have listed.

Pickwicks would be renamed Plato`s Ballroom on certain nights so I think the gig stated 31/08/81 may be wrong. My cultural sources have let me down! Although it seems Paul Simpson of the Wild Swans thinks the gig was in 1980. See link. http://www.whisperinandhollerin.co.uk/chat/chat.asp?id=1392
Permalink Reply by Rich Cundill on July 14, 2009 at 18:32
Am sure they played Hull Dingwalls before it burnt down (obviously!) in 81? Will pester some OJ groupies who followed them at the time and get back to you.

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