Orange Juice - Gigography / Fansite

Hi guys

I'm in the middle of collecting all information on Orange Juice via the web and articles etc so I can build a definitive OJ website.

The site will contain biog, discography, lyrics, videos, streaming audio, articles/interviews, reviews AND a definitive list of gigs that OJ played! This has never been done as far as I know and i'd like to have a bash at it!

I've trawled the net and so far come up with this list...

1979

2OTH APR GLASGOW, SCHOOL OF ART
21ST APR EDINBURGH, TEVIOT ROW*

1980

11TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (w/JOSEF K, GO-BETWEENS)*
17TH APRIL - GLASGOW, TECH COLLEGE*
9TH AUG - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
8TH SEPT - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
2ND NOV - LONDON, LYCEUM (SUPPORTING BUZZCOCKS w/DELMONTES, AU PAIRS, THINGS)
8TH DEC - LANCASTER UNIVERSITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
9TH DEC - GLASGOW, TIFFANYS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
11TH DEC - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
12TH DEC - HULL, CITY HALL (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
14TH DEC - SOUTHAMPTON, GAUMONT (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
15TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
16TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)

?? - GLASGOW, SQUARE THEATRE
?? NOV - LIVERPOOL, PLATOS BALLROOM (w/ PALE FOUNTAINS, WILD SWANS)

1981

1ST JAN - BRUSSELS, PLAN K (BELGIUM)
4TH JAN - LONDON, ICA (w/JOSEF K)
28TH MARCH - LEEDS WAREHOUSE
29TH MARCH - RETFORD, PORTERHOUSE
30TH MARCH - MIDDLESBOROUGH, ROCK GARDENS
31ST MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, BOAT CLUB*
1ST APRIL - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS*
2ND APRIL - SHEFFIELD, LIMIT CLUB*
3RD APRIL - LIVERPOOL, BRADYS
22ND APRIL - GLASGOW, ROSELAND BALLROOM (w/FIRE ENGINES)
10TH APRIL - STIRLING, UNIVERSITY*
10TH MAY - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS*
10TH JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB*
6TH AUG - LONDON, THE VENUE
19TH AUG - LIVERPOOL, PICKWICKS*
20TH AUG - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE*

?? JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (FILMED FOR JOCK N ROLL - LAST GIG OF LINE-UP MK 1?)
?? - CAMBRIDGE
?? - HULL, DINGWALLS
?? - OLYMPIA, EAST KILBRIDE

1982

20TH JAN - LONDON, THE VENUE
21ST JAN - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS
27TH JAN - UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
17TH FEB - BRISTOL, UNIVERSITY
19TH FEB - BIRMINGHAM, IMPERIAL CINEMA
20TH FEB - DURHAM, UNIVERSITY
22ND FEB - NEWCASTLE, SOUL KITCHEN
25TH FEB - LONDON, THE VENUE
26TH FEB - 'NORTH LONDON POLY'
27TH FEB - SUSSEX UNIVERSITY (w/DISCO DISCOLATION)
29TH FEB - SHEFFIELD, ??
1ST MARCH - OXFORD, SCAMPS
2ND MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY
3RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, FAGINS
5TH MARCH - LEICESTER, UNIVERSITY
6TH MARCH - RETFORD PORTERHOUSE*
8TH MARCH - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
4TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS
15TH JUNE - HACIENDA, MANCHESTER
16TH JUNE - BRADFORD, UNIVERSITY
17TH JUNE - HULL, TOWER BALLROOM
13TH NOV - CARDIFF, UNIVERSITY
17TH NOV - LEICESTER, POLY
18TH NOV - SHEFFIELD, LYCEUM
20TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
21ST NOV - BRISTOL, LOCAMO
22ND NOV - BRIGHTON, TOP RANK
24TH NOV - KEELE, UNIVERSITY*
25TH NOV - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
26TH NOV - LIVERPOOL, UNIVERSITY
29TH NOV - EDINBURGH, COASTERS*
30TH NOV - GLASGOW, MAYFAIR
1ST DEC - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
2ND DEC - LONDON, LYCEUM
30TH DEC - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY

?? - MOUNTFORD HALL, LIVERPOOL (w/STRAWBERRY SWITCHBLADE)

1983

23RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
24TH MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY
26TH MARCH - NEWCASTLE, DINGWALLS (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
27TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
28TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (2 NIGHTS IN A ROW?)
29TH MARCH - HULL, DINGWALLS
31ST MARCH - LONDON, LYCEUM (w/ MARINE GIRLS, GO-BETWEENS)*
6TH AUG - LONDON, HACKNEY, VICTORIA PARK*

1ST JULY - SWINDON??

1984

23RD MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY (w/ INTERNATIONAL RESCUE)
25TH MARCH - LEEDS, POLY
26TH MARCH - GLASGOW, PAVILLION
28TH MARCH, LEICESTER, POLY
29TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT
30TH MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
31ST MARCH, BIRMINGHAM, POLY
28TH APRIL - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
3RD MAY - ABERDEEN, UNIVERSITY
4TH MAY - SWANSEA, UNIVERSITY
5TH MAY - OXFORD, POLY
6TH MAY - LONDON, LYCEUM
9TH MAY - NEWCASTLE, MAYFAIR CLUB
10TH MAY - ABERDEEN, RITZY
12TH MAY - DUNDEE, UNIVERSITY
13TH MAY - EDINBURGH, CALEY PALAIS
21ST JUN - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (FILMED FOR 'DADA WITH JUICE')
1ST NOV - DUNFERMLINE, JOHNSONS
2ND NOV - GLASGOW, QMU
3RD NOV - NEWCASTLE, UNIVERSITY
4TH NOV - ABERDEEN, RITZY
5TH NOV - HULL, UNIVERSITY
7TH NOV - MANCHESTER, UNIVERSITY
8TH NOV - HATFIELD, POLY
9TH NOV - UXBRIDGE, BRUNEL UNIVERSITY
10TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
11TH NOV - UNIVERSITY OF EAT ANGLIA
13TH NOV - PORTSMOUTH POLY
14TH NOV - CHIPPENHAM, GOLD DIGGERS
16TH NOV - BELFAST, QUEENS
17TH NOV - DUBLIN, TV CLUB

?? JUNE/JULY READING, UNIVERSITY
?? AUG/SEPT CRYSTAL PALACE, "free festival"

1985

19TH JAN - LONDON, BRIXTON RITZY (NOW ACADEMY) - LAST EVER GIG

UNDATED

BRIGHTON DOME THEATRE (POSSIBLY 84?)
LONDON, ULU
THE LOFT?
LONDON, EMPIRE BALLROOM (84?)
LONDON, FINSBURY PARK?
BANNOCKBURN COMMUNITY CENTRE 81/82/83??

* BOOTLEGGED SHOW

If anyone can fill in the blanks or add some dates for me then i'd be most grateful!

I also plan to have unofficial bootlegs of OJ and radio-sessions streaming on my site - so far I have both Kid Jensen radio sessions, the John Peel ones, a John Peel session from 1981 with Edwyn having a chat and playing "new single" Poor Old Soul, the Mike Read session, full OJ gig at London Lyceum 1983, the three tracks from Glasgow Pavillion gig given away free on tape with What Presence ?! 7"

I have some tracks from the Stirling University gig and one from a Keele gig - would obviously love to get the rest - I know of a handful of other bootlegs floating about - any details would be great.

I'd also like to investigate on how we'd go about getting all the OJ albums put up on iTunes so peeps can buy em??? It's utterly criminal that they are out of print!!

I just want OJ to have a proper and definitive website - there's precious few things scattered about everywhere on blogs etc and it'd be great to have them in one place :-)

ta

Jamie

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Permalink Reply by DavidMcC on July 21, 2009 at 23:47
The Undertones tour kicked off on Dec 8th and on the morning of the 9th (the day of the Glasgow show) we woke up to the news that John Lennon had been killed. I remember feeling this weird mix of shock and sadness that John Lennon had been gunned down and total nervous excitement (shitting my pants) that we were going to be playing in our home town to such a big crowd. The Undertones played a tribute to John Lennon that night but I can’t remember which song they performed.
Permalink Reply by William Macintyre on July 28, 2009 at 9:59
Hello, like the site and hope you fill in all the pieces. I saw Orange Juice two times. Second, and easier to remember, was at Leicester University, on a Saturday some time in spring 1982. But unlike most gigs there it wasn't in the main hall, it was in the basement refrectory area - can remember David playing on the table football down there before the gig. Support was by China Crisis, who had just released African and White as a single. First time I saw them was in London - may have been ICA , early 81, but - and I used to go to many gigs a week back then - I have a vague memory of maybe having seen them at the Marquee in Wardour Street in late summer/autumn 1980, and speaking to band before the gig. Apologies if this latter is not correct, but Leicester in spring 82 with China Crisis is definitely correct!!
Permalink Reply by Mike on July 29, 2009 at 11:40
I seem to remember that Leicester University gig was a Friday night rather than a Saturday one. I have the poster at home so will be able to confirm the actual date as soon as I manage to dig it out.

With regard to Retford Porterhouse, Orange Juice played there at least twice. The March 1981 date was the second time I saw them (following on from Nottingham Rock City, supporting The Undertones, the first ever gig at that particular venue (it wasn't meant to be but there had been problems with the licence IIRC)) and that was the date at which it was advertised as 'A Futurist Night featuring Orange Juice'. This puts the bootleg (if it is the one where the bass strings go and the band play Heart of Song and What Goes On) at a later date (particularly as it features Malcolm Ross and he didn't join until later in the year / early 82) as the 'futurist' gig is mentioned by Edwyn on the bootleg.

There was also a date at The Dome Theatre, Brighton (the small part of it where the Marychain played, not the large part where Go-Betweens supported Aztec Camera) during (IIRC) May 1985. It was when the Johnny chap was in the band.

I've a few relevant documents at home, including a survey the band filled in backstage at Rock City which revealed their obsessions with The Last Picture Show and What's The Matter Boy, and an 'interview' I did with them at the same venue. I'll try to find and upload them.
Permalink Reply by Simon Greenwood on July 11, 2010 at 20:54
http://www.facebook.com/#!/album.php?aid=194133&id=541440818&ref=mf

Some great pictures of OJ from a gig supporting The Fall at Manchester Poly in 1981 (i think)

Does anyone know the precise date and was this the first time OJ played Manchester?
Permalink Reply by Malcolm Ross on July 29, 2009 at 13:00
I think we played the Hacienda more than once?

jamiemoir said:
That does make sense date-wise.

I've added it on.

Duncan Lee said:
According to the book The Hacienda Must be Built by Jon Savage, OJ played there on Tuesday, 15th June 1982, the month after its opening party hosted by Bernard Manning!!??
Permalink Reply by Duncan Lee on July 29, 2009 at 15:59
Did you play there with Paul Haig?

I remember seeing you both at the Manchester International (2) when you both came on with red horns, I think it was the time of his Chain lp.
Permalink Reply by Rich Cundill on July 29, 2009 at 16:07
Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand but all this talk of Paul H and Malcolm has made me recall a Josef K gig at a venue called, I think, Jaspers in York in about '81. It was a cracker.
Permalink Reply by Mike on August 2, 2009 at 9:49
Leicester University gig was Friday March 5th 1982. Poster available in photos.
Permalink Reply by Malcolm Ross on August 3, 2009 at 21:30
Yeah! I think we did - could be getting confused. Aztec C. maybe played there also. But I think OJ played there twice... although I could be wrong. ha ha

Duncan Lee said:
Did you play there with Paul Haig?

I remember seeing you both at the Manchester International (2) when you both came on with red horns, I think it was the time of his Chain lp.
Permalink Reply by Malcolm Ross on August 3, 2009 at 21:32
Yeah remember that one - was there a driving range at the venue?!? Outside off course. Was the place some kind of country club... just outside York?

Rich Cundill said:
Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand but all this talk of Paul H and Malcolm has made me recall a Josef K gig at a venue called, I think, Jaspers in York in about '81. It was a cracker.
Permalink Reply by Rich Cundill on August 5, 2009 at 21:13
Don't remember the driving range but "country club outside York" is right on the money. Seem to remember it was a Monday night thing - saw Delta 5 either the week before or after. Thursday night was always Leeds Warehouse which was a trendy disco till midnight then the band played for an hour (no support, no encores, just an hour) and then it reverted to trendy disco. Moscow mules we drank. Then slept on benches at Leeds station before getting the milk train back to Hull, getting home for about an hours sleep before getting up for work on Friday, or getting me Mum to phone in sick. Saw OJ one week then Bow Wow Wow (with Boy George dancing) the next week. Heh!
Permalink Reply by matt bourke on August 6, 2009 at 16:13
does anyone have info on the gig that was cancelled at the then lyceum ballroom in london - would have been around 84 or 85 and OJ split up soon after that if i recall, maybe it was later ?. myself and some friends went to london to see the show, we must have been around 17. thrilled to final see them live, but alas it wasnt meant to be. we had to wait a few more years until the hope and despair tour - again i think ? maybe a dont shilly shally tour..., and i think maybe at the town and country club in camden
Ive always wondered if that was the last show that never was ?

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