Orange Juice - Gigography / Fansite

Hi guys

I'm in the middle of collecting all information on Orange Juice via the web and articles etc so I can build a definitive OJ website.

The site will contain biog, discography, lyrics, videos, streaming audio, articles/interviews, reviews AND a definitive list of gigs that OJ played! This has never been done as far as I know and i'd like to have a bash at it!

I've trawled the net and so far come up with this list...

1979

2OTH APR GLASGOW, SCHOOL OF ART
21ST APR EDINBURGH, TEVIOT ROW*

1980

11TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (w/JOSEF K, GO-BETWEENS)*
17TH APRIL - GLASGOW, TECH COLLEGE*
9TH AUG - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
8TH SEPT - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
2ND NOV - LONDON, LYCEUM (SUPPORTING BUZZCOCKS w/DELMONTES, AU PAIRS, THINGS)
8TH DEC - LANCASTER UNIVERSITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
9TH DEC - GLASGOW, TIFFANYS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
11TH DEC - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
12TH DEC - HULL, CITY HALL (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
14TH DEC - SOUTHAMPTON, GAUMONT (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
15TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
16TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)

?? - GLASGOW, SQUARE THEATRE
?? NOV - LIVERPOOL, PLATOS BALLROOM (w/ PALE FOUNTAINS, WILD SWANS)

1981

1ST JAN - BRUSSELS, PLAN K (BELGIUM)
4TH JAN - LONDON, ICA (w/JOSEF K)
28TH MARCH - LEEDS WAREHOUSE
29TH MARCH - RETFORD, PORTERHOUSE
30TH MARCH - MIDDLESBOROUGH, ROCK GARDENS
31ST MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, BOAT CLUB*
1ST APRIL - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS*
2ND APRIL - SHEFFIELD, LIMIT CLUB*
3RD APRIL - LIVERPOOL, BRADYS
22ND APRIL - GLASGOW, ROSELAND BALLROOM (w/FIRE ENGINES)
10TH APRIL - STIRLING, UNIVERSITY*
10TH MAY - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS*
10TH JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB*
6TH AUG - LONDON, THE VENUE
19TH AUG - LIVERPOOL, PICKWICKS*
20TH AUG - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE*

?? JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (FILMED FOR JOCK N ROLL - LAST GIG OF LINE-UP MK 1?)
?? - CAMBRIDGE
?? - HULL, DINGWALLS
?? - OLYMPIA, EAST KILBRIDE

1982

20TH JAN - LONDON, THE VENUE
21ST JAN - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS
27TH JAN - UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
17TH FEB - BRISTOL, UNIVERSITY
19TH FEB - BIRMINGHAM, IMPERIAL CINEMA
20TH FEB - DURHAM, UNIVERSITY
22ND FEB - NEWCASTLE, SOUL KITCHEN
25TH FEB - LONDON, THE VENUE
26TH FEB - 'NORTH LONDON POLY'
27TH FEB - SUSSEX UNIVERSITY (w/DISCO DISCOLATION)
29TH FEB - SHEFFIELD, ??
1ST MARCH - OXFORD, SCAMPS
2ND MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY
3RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, FAGINS
5TH MARCH - LEICESTER, UNIVERSITY
6TH MARCH - RETFORD PORTERHOUSE*
8TH MARCH - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
4TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS
15TH JUNE - HACIENDA, MANCHESTER
16TH JUNE - BRADFORD, UNIVERSITY
17TH JUNE - HULL, TOWER BALLROOM
13TH NOV - CARDIFF, UNIVERSITY
17TH NOV - LEICESTER, POLY
18TH NOV - SHEFFIELD, LYCEUM
20TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
21ST NOV - BRISTOL, LOCAMO
22ND NOV - BRIGHTON, TOP RANK
24TH NOV - KEELE, UNIVERSITY*
25TH NOV - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
26TH NOV - LIVERPOOL, UNIVERSITY
29TH NOV - EDINBURGH, COASTERS*
30TH NOV - GLASGOW, MAYFAIR
1ST DEC - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
2ND DEC - LONDON, LYCEUM
30TH DEC - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY

?? - MOUNTFORD HALL, LIVERPOOL (w/STRAWBERRY SWITCHBLADE)

1983

23RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
24TH MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY
26TH MARCH - NEWCASTLE, DINGWALLS (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
27TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
28TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (2 NIGHTS IN A ROW?)
29TH MARCH - HULL, DINGWALLS
31ST MARCH - LONDON, LYCEUM (w/ MARINE GIRLS, GO-BETWEENS)*
6TH AUG - LONDON, HACKNEY, VICTORIA PARK*

1ST JULY - SWINDON??

1984

23RD MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY (w/ INTERNATIONAL RESCUE)
25TH MARCH - LEEDS, POLY
26TH MARCH - GLASGOW, PAVILLION
28TH MARCH, LEICESTER, POLY
29TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT
30TH MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
31ST MARCH, BIRMINGHAM, POLY
28TH APRIL - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
3RD MAY - ABERDEEN, UNIVERSITY
4TH MAY - SWANSEA, UNIVERSITY
5TH MAY - OXFORD, POLY
6TH MAY - LONDON, LYCEUM
9TH MAY - NEWCASTLE, MAYFAIR CLUB
10TH MAY - ABERDEEN, RITZY
12TH MAY - DUNDEE, UNIVERSITY
13TH MAY - EDINBURGH, CALEY PALAIS
21ST JUN - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (FILMED FOR 'DADA WITH JUICE')
1ST NOV - DUNFERMLINE, JOHNSONS
2ND NOV - GLASGOW, QMU
3RD NOV - NEWCASTLE, UNIVERSITY
4TH NOV - ABERDEEN, RITZY
5TH NOV - HULL, UNIVERSITY
7TH NOV - MANCHESTER, UNIVERSITY
8TH NOV - HATFIELD, POLY
9TH NOV - UXBRIDGE, BRUNEL UNIVERSITY
10TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
11TH NOV - UNIVERSITY OF EAT ANGLIA
13TH NOV - PORTSMOUTH POLY
14TH NOV - CHIPPENHAM, GOLD DIGGERS
16TH NOV - BELFAST, QUEENS
17TH NOV - DUBLIN, TV CLUB

?? JUNE/JULY READING, UNIVERSITY
?? AUG/SEPT CRYSTAL PALACE, "free festival"

1985

19TH JAN - LONDON, BRIXTON RITZY (NOW ACADEMY) - LAST EVER GIG

UNDATED

BRIGHTON DOME THEATRE (POSSIBLY 84?)
LONDON, ULU
THE LOFT?
LONDON, EMPIRE BALLROOM (84?)
LONDON, FINSBURY PARK?
BANNOCKBURN COMMUNITY CENTRE 81/82/83??

* BOOTLEGGED SHOW

If anyone can fill in the blanks or add some dates for me then i'd be most grateful!

I also plan to have unofficial bootlegs of OJ and radio-sessions streaming on my site - so far I have both Kid Jensen radio sessions, the John Peel ones, a John Peel session from 1981 with Edwyn having a chat and playing "new single" Poor Old Soul, the Mike Read session, full OJ gig at London Lyceum 1983, the three tracks from Glasgow Pavillion gig given away free on tape with What Presence ?! 7"

I have some tracks from the Stirling University gig and one from a Keele gig - would obviously love to get the rest - I know of a handful of other bootlegs floating about - any details would be great.

I'd also like to investigate on how we'd go about getting all the OJ albums put up on iTunes so peeps can buy em??? It's utterly criminal that they are out of print!!

I just want OJ to have a proper and definitive website - there's precious few things scattered about everywhere on blogs etc and it'd be great to have them in one place :-)

ta

Jamie

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Permalink Reply by Edwyn Collins on August 7, 2009 at 12:02
Think it may have been due to poor ticket sales Matt. The law of diminishing returns was in force by that time. I'm pretty sure that was what it was (Grace here, by the way).

matt bourke said:
does anyone have info on the gig that was cancelled at the then lyceum ballroom in london - would have been around 84 or 85 and OJ split up soon after that if i recall, maybe it was later ?. myself and some friends went to london to see the show, we must have been around 17. thrilled to final see them live, but alas it wasnt meant to be. we had to wait a few more years until the hope and despair tour - again i think ? maybe a dont shilly shally tour..., and i think maybe at the town and country club in camden
Ive always wondered if that was the last show that never was ?
Permalink Reply by Stephen Skinner on August 7, 2009 at 12:57
The actual reason given by the Promoter's spokesperson was 'Quiff Failure'.

I think I was partially to blame.

Steve
xxx
Permalink Reply by matt bourke on August 7, 2009 at 14:34
thank you grace, oh and of course mr skinner . Where there any more OJ shows after that cancelled show ?

Edwyn Collins said:
Think it may have been due to poor ticket sales Matt. The law of diminishing returns was in force by that time. I'm pretty sure that was what it was (Grace here, by the way).

matt bourke said:
does anyone have info on the gig that was cancelled at the then lyceum ballroom in london - would have been around 84 or 85 and OJ split up soon after that if i recall, maybe it was later ?. myself and some friends went to london to see the show, we must have been around 17. thrilled to final see them live, but alas it wasnt meant to be. we had to wait a few more years until the hope and despair tour - again i think ? maybe a dont shilly shally tour..., and i think maybe at the town and country club in camden
Ive always wondered if that was the last show that never was ?
Permalink Reply by Bob on August 12, 2009 at 16:09
Hi Jamie,

I have a recording of OJ at the ICA, if that's any use? If so, please let me know what to do...

Bob
Permalink Reply by Frankie on August 13, 2009 at 15:49
Just found some 1984 OJ tour dates listed in Smash Hits 15-28th March 1984 - most of them aren't on your list

March 23rd Sheffield Uni
March 25th Leeds Polytechnic
March 26th Glasgow Pavilion
March 28th Leicester Polytechnic
March 29th Liverpool Royal Court
March 30th Manchester Hacienda
March 31st Birmingham Polytechnic

Cheers
Permalink Reply by Jamie H on August 13, 2009 at 21:01
Can confirm the Roseland gig in Glasgow was on 22. April (1981). Support was The Fire Engines. (I still have the poster).
Permalink Reply by Robert_S on August 15, 2009 at 15:23
For reference:

Permalink Reply by Robert_S on August 15, 2009 at 15:26
The image below shows some tour dates from late '82:

Permalink Reply by Gregory William French on August 15, 2009 at 16:57
I have reason to believe that Orange Juice played in my home town of Colchester , I think at essex university, probably in 1984, as a bloke in a pub told me he saw them back in the 'heyday! I don't have any dates...

Also as a side note, does anyone know when and where I don't Care (the rammones cover) was recorded, appearing on The Glasgow School ? Sounds pretty early to me, what with Edwyn doing his best Clash/SP/Buzzcocks impersonation!
Permalink Reply by Tender Object on August 15, 2009 at 21:50
i was told that isnt edwyn on vocals?
back in the early nu-sonics days Stephen was on vocals and Edwyn on drums, and its the same on Moscow Olympics were they shout ''Moscow!''


i think? anyone else know?
Permalink Reply by Colin Adkins on August 15, 2009 at 19:20
These all come from schedules from newspapers:

28.3.81 Leeds Warehouse
29.3.81 Retford Porterhouse
30.3.81 Middlesboro Rock Gardens
6.8.81 The Venue London

20.1.82 The Venue London (I have tape recording)
21.1.82 Manchester Rafters
27.1.82 University of East Anglia
17.2.82 Bristol Uni
20.2.82 Durham Uni
22.2.82 Newcastle Soul Kitchen
25.2.82 The Venue London
26.2.82 North London Poly
1.3.82 Oxford Scamps
2.3.82 Sheffield Uni
3.3.82 Manchester Fagins
5.3.82 Leicester Uni
6.3.82 Retford Porterhouse
8.3.82 Leeds Warehouse
13.11 Cardiff Uni
17.11 Leicester Poly
18.11 Sheffiled Lyceum
20.11 Essex Uni
21.11 Bristol Locarno
22.11 Brighton Top Rank
25.11 Hacienda
26.11 Liverpool Uni
30.11Glasgow Mayfair
1.12 LeedsWarehouse
2.12 LyceumLondon

23.3.83 Hacienda
24.3 Nottingham Rock City
28.3 Liverpool Royal Court
29.3 Hull Dingwalls
31.3 Lyceum

1.7 Swindon?

23.3.84 Sheff Uni
25 LeedsPoly
26 Glasgow Pavillion
28 Leicester Poly
29 Liverpool Royal Crt
30 Hacienda
31 Birmingham Poly
28.4 Essex Uni
3.5 Aberdeen Uni
4 Swansea Uni
5 Oxford Poly
6 Lyceum
9 Newcastle Mayfair Ballroom
10 Aberdeen Ritzy
12 Dundee Uni
13 Edinburgh Caley Palais
21.6 Hammersmith Palais - yes this is where the video was filmed. Supported by Jonathan Richman who blew them off the stage!
1.11 Dunfermiline Johnsons
2.12 Glasgow Queen Margaret Union
3 Newcastle Uni
4 Aberdeen Ritzy
5 Hull Uni
7 Hacienda
8 Hatfield Poly
9 Brunel Uni
10 Essex Uni
11 University of East Anglia
13 Portsmouth Poly
14 Chippenham Goldiggers
16 Belfast Queens
17 Dublin TV Club

19.1.85 Brixton Ritzy last ever gig

I have one of the Essex Uni gigs on tape.

Any use?

Colin
Permalink Reply by Mike on August 16, 2009 at 7:06
So March 6th 1982 is the Retford Porterhouse gig which is fairly easily available as a bootleg. I recorded the 1981 gig myself but it has slipped out of my possession in the intervening years. I made a number of copies for friends over the years so there is still the chance that it is out there somewhere.

Is there any sign of the OP launching his site or amending the details in the first post?

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