Hi guys

I'm in the middle of collecting all information on Orange Juice via the web and articles etc so I can build a definitive OJ website.

The site will contain biog, discography, lyrics, videos, streaming audio, articles/interviews, reviews AND a definitive list of gigs that OJ played! This has never been done as far as I know and i'd like to have a bash at it!

I've trawled the net and so far come up with this list...

1979

2OTH APR GLASGOW, SCHOOL OF ART
21ST APR EDINBURGH, TEVIOT ROW*

1980

11TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (w/JOSEF K, GO-BETWEENS)*
17TH APRIL - GLASGOW, TECH COLLEGE*
9TH AUG - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
8TH SEPT - GLASGOW, BUNGALOW BAR*
2ND NOV - LONDON, LYCEUM (SUPPORTING BUZZCOCKS w/DELMONTES, AU PAIRS, THINGS)
8TH DEC - LANCASTER UNIVERSITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
9TH DEC - GLASGOW, TIFFANYS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
11TH DEC - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
12TH DEC - HULL, CITY HALL (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
14TH DEC - SOUTHAMPTON, GAUMONT (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
15TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)
16TH DEC - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (SUPPORTING UNDERTONES)

?? - GLASGOW, SQUARE THEATRE
?? NOV - LIVERPOOL, PLATOS BALLROOM (w/ PALE FOUNTAINS, WILD SWANS)

1981

1ST JAN - BRUSSELS, PLAN K (BELGIUM)
4TH JAN - LONDON, ICA (w/JOSEF K)
28TH MARCH - LEEDS WAREHOUSE
29TH MARCH - RETFORD, PORTERHOUSE
30TH MARCH - MIDDLESBOROUGH, ROCK GARDENS
31ST MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, BOAT CLUB*
1ST APRIL - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS*
2ND APRIL - SHEFFIELD, LIMIT CLUB*
3RD APRIL - LIVERPOOL, BRADYS
22ND APRIL - GLASGOW, ROSELAND BALLROOM (w/FIRE ENGINES)
10TH APRIL - STIRLING, UNIVERSITY*
10TH MAY - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS*
10TH JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB*
6TH AUG - LONDON, THE VENUE
19TH AUG - LIVERPOOL, PICKWICKS*
20TH AUG - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE*

?? JULY - EDINBURGH, NITE CLUB (FILMED FOR JOCK N ROLL - LAST GIG OF LINE-UP MK 1?)
?? - CAMBRIDGE
?? - HULL, DINGWALLS
?? - OLYMPIA, EAST KILBRIDE

1982

20TH JAN - LONDON, THE VENUE
21ST JAN - MANCHESTER, RAFTERS
27TH JAN - UNIVERSITY OF EAST ANGLIA
17TH FEB - BRISTOL, UNIVERSITY
19TH FEB - BIRMINGHAM, IMPERIAL CINEMA
20TH FEB - DURHAM, UNIVERSITY
22ND FEB - NEWCASTLE, SOUL KITCHEN
25TH FEB - LONDON, THE VENUE
26TH FEB - 'NORTH LONDON POLY'
27TH FEB - SUSSEX UNIVERSITY (w/DISCO DISCOLATION)
29TH FEB - SHEFFIELD, ??
1ST MARCH - OXFORD, SCAMPS
2ND MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY
3RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, FAGINS
5TH MARCH - LEICESTER, UNIVERSITY
6TH MARCH - RETFORD PORTERHOUSE*
8TH MARCH - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
4TH APRIL - EDINBURGH, VALENTINOS
15TH JUNE - HACIENDA, MANCHESTER
16TH JUNE - BRADFORD, UNIVERSITY
17TH JUNE - HULL, TOWER BALLROOM
13TH NOV - CARDIFF, UNIVERSITY
17TH NOV - LEICESTER, POLY
18TH NOV - SHEFFIELD, LYCEUM
20TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
21ST NOV - BRISTOL, LOCAMO
22ND NOV - BRIGHTON, TOP RANK
24TH NOV - KEELE, UNIVERSITY*
25TH NOV - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
26TH NOV - LIVERPOOL, UNIVERSITY
29TH NOV - EDINBURGH, COASTERS*
30TH NOV - GLASGOW, MAYFAIR
1ST DEC - LEEDS, WAREHOUSE
2ND DEC - LONDON, LYCEUM
30TH DEC - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY

?? - MOUNTFORD HALL, LIVERPOOL (w/STRAWBERRY SWITCHBLADE)

1983

23RD MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
24TH MARCH - NOTTINGHAM, ROCK CITY
26TH MARCH - NEWCASTLE, DINGWALLS (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
27TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (w/ GO-BETWEENS)
28TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT THEATRE (2 NIGHTS IN A ROW?)
29TH MARCH - HULL, DINGWALLS
31ST MARCH - LONDON, LYCEUM (w/ MARINE GIRLS, GO-BETWEENS)*
6TH AUG - LONDON, HACKNEY, VICTORIA PARK*

1ST JULY - SWINDON??

1984

23RD MARCH - SHEFFIELD, UNIVERSITY (w/ INTERNATIONAL RESCUE)
25TH MARCH - LEEDS, POLY
26TH MARCH - GLASGOW, PAVILLION
28TH MARCH, LEICESTER, POLY
29TH MARCH - LIVERPOOL, ROYAL COURT
30TH MARCH - MANCHESTER, HACIENDA
31ST MARCH, BIRMINGHAM, POLY
28TH APRIL - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
3RD MAY - ABERDEEN, UNIVERSITY
4TH MAY - SWANSEA, UNIVERSITY
5TH MAY - OXFORD, POLY
6TH MAY - LONDON, LYCEUM
9TH MAY - NEWCASTLE, MAYFAIR CLUB
10TH MAY - ABERDEEN, RITZY
12TH MAY - DUNDEE, UNIVERSITY
13TH MAY - EDINBURGH, CALEY PALAIS
21ST JUN - LONDON, HAMMERSMITH PALAIS (FILMED FOR 'DADA WITH JUICE')
1ST NOV - DUNFERMLINE, JOHNSONS
2ND NOV - GLASGOW, QMU
3RD NOV - NEWCASTLE, UNIVERSITY
4TH NOV - ABERDEEN, RITZY
5TH NOV - HULL, UNIVERSITY
7TH NOV - MANCHESTER, UNIVERSITY
8TH NOV - HATFIELD, POLY
9TH NOV - UXBRIDGE, BRUNEL UNIVERSITY
10TH NOV - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY
11TH NOV - UNIVERSITY OF EAT ANGLIA
13TH NOV - PORTSMOUTH POLY
14TH NOV - CHIPPENHAM, GOLD DIGGERS
16TH NOV - BELFAST, QUEENS
17TH NOV - DUBLIN, TV CLUB

?? JUNE/JULY READING, UNIVERSITY
?? AUG/SEPT CRYSTAL PALACE, "free festival"

1985

19TH JAN - LONDON, BRIXTON RITZY (NOW ACADEMY) - LAST EVER GIG

UNDATED

BRIGHTON DOME THEATRE (POSSIBLY 84?)
LONDON, ULU
THE LOFT?
LONDON, EMPIRE BALLROOM (84?)
LONDON, FINSBURY PARK?
BANNOCKBURN COMMUNITY CENTRE 81/82/83??

* BOOTLEGGED SHOW

If anyone can fill in the blanks or add some dates for me then i'd be most grateful!

I also plan to have unofficial bootlegs of OJ and radio-sessions streaming on my site - so far I have both Kid Jensen radio sessions, the John Peel ones, a John Peel session from 1981 with Edwyn having a chat and playing "new single" Poor Old Soul, the Mike Read session, full OJ gig at London Lyceum 1983, the three tracks from Glasgow Pavillion gig given away free on tape with What Presence ?! 7"

I have some tracks from the Stirling University gig and one from a Keele gig - would obviously love to get the rest - I know of a handful of other bootlegs floating about - any details would be great.

I'd also like to investigate on how we'd go about getting all the OJ albums put up on iTunes so peeps can buy em??? It's utterly criminal that they are out of print!!

I just want OJ to have a proper and definitive website - there's precious few things scattered about everywhere on blogs etc and it'd be great to have them in one place :-)

ta

Jamie

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I saw them play in my home town at Wolverhampton Lafayette Club, but sorry the date escapes me. Edwyn wore a sailor shirt and his Davy Crockett hat...I may still have a couple of photos I took at the gig. I think this was the second time I saw the OJ's. I seem to recall John Peel announcing on his show on a Friday (was he on Friday's then?) that he was doing a gig at Manchester the next day and among the bands playing would be the OJ's, Josef K and The Fall. I must've made a quick call to a friend or two and on the Saturday morning off we were on the train to Manchester. I seem to recall it was at the Poly, though if so was a different part to where I later saw ACR...or was that the Uni? Anyway, I recall Josef K didn't play and lots of nervous but as always welcome (I hate bands that talk...all except the OJ's that is) banter from Edwyn...maybe someone broke a string. I think both of the shows were 2nd~3rd single era...I know that "Falling and Laughing" was already sold out in shops when I started listening to the OJ's, though my friend had a copy.
The next (and maybe last) time I saw them was I think at Keele Uni with Paul Quinn guesting.
I saw OJ at Hardgate Hall, Clydebank in 1979 - I'm pretty sure it was a football teams xmas disco!!!


I recall a drunk shouting "Gonnae gie's Brown Sugar!" between every song! ha! ha!
Hi,
I've got these shows:

Live 1982 (unknown Location & Date...must be 1982)
Liverpool, University (1981) April or August?
21.04.1979 Edingburgh, University
11.04.1980 Glasgow, Technical Institute
08.09.1980 Paisly, Bungalow Bar
04.01.1981 London, ICA
06.03.1981 Retford, Porterhouse
10.04.1981 Stirling, Mayfield Centre
10.05.1981 Edinburgh
06.08.1981 London, Venue
06.03.1982 Retford, Porterhouse
29.11.1982 Edinburgh, Coasters Discotheque
30.12.1982 Sheffield, University
28.03.1983 Liverpool, Royal Court Theatre
31.03.1983 London, Lyceum
03.07.1983 London, Hammersmith Palais
06.08.1983 London, Victoria Park/ Hackney
09.05.1984 Newcastle, Mayfair
13.05.1984 Edinburgh, Caley Palais
03.11.1984 Newcastle, University
Sorry - just joined and not had chance to go back through all the posts yet but the 1981 gig at Middlesbrough Rock Garden was definitely not the 30th March as that was a Monday. The Rock Garden only put groups on Fridays and Saturdays and very occasionally midweek but never a Monday.
I was at the gig and would bet my last dollar it was a Saturday. I remember it as a fairly poor night - the Rock Garden was a fairly violent place and groups like Orange Juice were not very well received.

David

Other than the ICA and The Venue 6/8/81 could I obtain copies of these please??????

I would be overjoyed.

Craig

In 1984 there was a gig at Tolworth Recreation Centre (my first!)

I think the Crystal Palace Free festival could have been a Rock Against Racsim thing. There was definitely a London park event with OJ, Aswad and I think Madness on the line up.

Was the Hammersmith Palais (Dada With Juice) gig supported by Jonathan Richman? If it wasn't, I think there must have been another gig there that year.

PS I can see myself in the front row in Dada with Juice...
A poster mentioned OJ playing in 1981 or 82 at Leeds Poly. It was 17th June 82, and the Go Betweens supported them. If I remember rightly it was a hastily arranged end-of-term gig, your list shows that date as being in Hull, but I was there, it was in Leeds, and I've got the ticket from it ! I was also down to see the band at Middlesboro Town Hall in July 84 sometime, as I was working there at the time and got a ticket, but I couldn't make it as my (charming) employer dragged me back to the Leeds office on gig-day.

Saw Edwyn and the band this last Saturday at the Brudenell in Leeds for the first time since those days, and it was an absolutely memorable gig. Dying Day, Consolation Prize, Blue Boy and F&L rolled into stuff from the last 20 years and the new album. If any 40 something (?) has a finer back-catalogue I've yet to hear it !
Interested to find this thread, and see there are a few people I know on here (hi Rich!), but for oblique reasons. I'm doing a similar thing for Prefab Sprout (http://psgigs.wikispaces.com). The interest specifically is that I'm hunting for original tapes. Back in the day I remember market stalls selling cassettes of just about all the local gigs - this was in Brighton and London but I'm guessing it was the same everywhere. But few if any of these every turn up these days. I've looked in lots of places, asked on dimeadozen, talked to people in Camden market and record fairs, but never been able to hit the motherlode which exists somewhere in my fevered imagination.

The thought was that someone may know someone who knows someone who did this commercial taping and has a stash of tapes in a loft somewhere. Looking at the lists here impressive numbers of OJ related things from roughly the period of interest have turned up, so I thought it was worth asking. Incidentally if a Sprout recording has turned up online somewhere I'll almost certainly know of it (and in many cases will have originated it), so I don't need googling by proxy, I'm mainly interested in trying to find my way into networks of old school tapers.

So let me know. If not appropriate to add things to the thread there's an e-mail address on my site, but I'll be checking back here too.
I attended an Orange Juice gig in the Victoria Hotel (I think - it might have been the Douglas) in Aberdeen, in 1981. I'm not certain of the date, but I know New Order played there around the same time, and their gig list says they played on 18th April. I'm fairly sure it would have been a week or so either side of that. I do remember that at the start it was announced that the gig would be a short one because Edwyn was still recovering from being assaulted in Glasgow a day or two before.
the gig in the refectory of leicester uni students union was ealier than 1982, i was at the gig and reckon i was a first or second year student at the time which puts it 1980 or 1981 imho

Hi Jamie

Do you have any bootlegs of OJ or Edwyn at all?

Wow! God bless your archive Jamie. Have seen Edwyn solo countless times, but only once got to see the Juice a-juicin' up the house in concert.

That was at, as you rightly record: 28TH APRIL - ESSEX, UNIVERSITY

A life changing event for me, aged about 13 or so, I can tell you. My tunes, my clothes, my understanding of pop culture, my hair (that one never worked: a curlytop lad can never really win the struggle for a decent quiff, though god knows I tried) were never the same again.

I remember Edwyn introducing I Guess I'm Just a Little Too Sensitive as a Smiths cover or something more elegantly quipped along those lines. From thereon in it was bye-bye indie, hello chooglin. He also said at one point that last time they'd played Colchester it had "been full of Bauhaus fans". Yikes!

It was one of the greatest nights in my pop life.

I think some of that spirit is still present in the snap of me taken yesterday in a dusty 24-hr games arcade in Nanjing where I'd rocked up at a loose end, and discovered - oh sweet baby jesu - a drumming game. I was only customer, so pic taken by sweet teen night-shift attendant. Needless to say we both had a few goes.

Love atcha

Lindo

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